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PostSubject: Court ruling could mean end of used game sales.   Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:42 pm

Pulled this link from Reddit.
http://miskymunty.com/gaming/court-ruling-could-mean-the-end-of-used-game-sales/
The thread title seems meant to scare you like it was from Fox News (Razz), but reading the article is still a bit of cause for concern, if you ask me.
Thoughts on this anyone?

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PostSubject: Re: Court ruling could mean end of used game sales.   Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:49 pm

CobaltMonkey wrote:
Thoughts on this anyone?


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I'm outraged! I think.

Am I? Or should I just be mildly irked?

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PostSubject: Re: Court ruling could mean end of used game sales.   Thu Sep 16, 2010 3:37 pm

Now I can't get to it from Reddit either. scratch
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I can't remember the specific details, so I'll try to find more on it to post later.

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PostSubject: Re: Court ruling could mean end of used game sales.   Thu Sep 16, 2010 5:08 pm

I think this is the same thing:

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/09/the-end-of-used-major-ruling-upholds-tough-software-licenses.ars

Video games are software.

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PostSubject: Re: Court ruling could mean end of used game sales.   Thu Sep 16, 2010 5:41 pm

Yup. Different source, same story. Thanks, Az. I love you

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PostSubject: Re: Court ruling could mean end of used game sales.   Thu Sep 16, 2010 5:46 pm

Azira wrote:
I think this is the same thing:

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/09/the-end-of-used-major-ruling-upholds-tough-software-licenses.ars

Video games are software.

I was waiting for monkey confirmation, but Plus one

Interesting.
Unsure how it may effect the console world, but PC stuff can take a hit.
Neat find Monkey

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PostSubject: Re: Court ruling could mean end of used game sales.   Thu Sep 16, 2010 5:50 pm

reddit.com is always good for that sort of thing. I'll recommend it as highly as I do cracked.com, if for different reasons.

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PostSubject: Re: Court ruling could mean end of used game sales.   Thu Sep 16, 2010 5:59 pm

Well then.

There's been a whole bunch of things going around software and its copyrighting a lot lately. I have no idea where a link is, but there was a case where someone was trying to copyright a "process," and since software is a bunch of processes software would come into the equation at some point. I have no idea what the case was or how to find it, so I'm not 100% sure of the details. Let's just say software has been in the news a lot lately.

If this means that you can't sell the games you've bought, then that's going to put a lot of resellers out of business. A lot of their money comes from giving you $20 for a new game you spent $60 on, and then they sell it for $55.

Here's a question: do the resellers have the right to make money off of a game like that?

Personally, I haven't really run into this problem. Having a console in the house is a relatively new thing compared to having a (gaming) PC in the house. You can't resell the software for PCs because they usually come with a key so it can only be used once. The thought of reselling the software didn't cross minds because it couldn't be done. The same thing goes for DLC, although a creative person can find ways around it.

And in terms of console gaming, I don't pick something up unless I've put some research into it first (like I'd do with any purchase). I have sold only one game that I really didn't like, and the other fifteen that I've put my own coin on I've enjoyed to bits. By the time I'm finished with the game, there's really no point in thinking of selling it because I'd get next to no money off of it anyway, so it'll just sit on the shelf.

While this ruling probably won't affect me, it's going to be a bummer for a lot of other people. Those used-game stores are around for a reason: there's a market for recycling games. It's probably better for a game to pass through another set of hands and get played then for it to sit on a shelf and just collect dust. It's the developers though who want their money, and they can't make it if one copy of a game gets passed through several hands and they only make money off of it once.

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PostSubject: Re: Court ruling could mean end of used game sales.   Thu Sep 16, 2010 7:04 pm

Absolutely. Let's look at it like this. You buy a nice TV. It's about halfway through it's expected life, when you get a sudden run of money and decide to buy into the latest craze of 3D TVs. What to do with your old one? Put it up for sale. After all, it's still good and perhaps someone else could use it. New TVs are expensive, after all.
Here's the hitch.
Your TV can legally only be returned to Sony or thrown away, not sold to a neighbor or put up on a local trading post, etc.
Sound far fetched? How big a jump is it from the game discs to TVs? This law is about effecting your right to own things period.

Moreover, developers do get benefits from places like Game Stop. Things like DLC. I may not have paid full price to the devs for Dragon Age: Origins, but I've put down around $20 on the DLC that they wouldn't have seen otherwise.

Then there's the fact that if something is cheap, then chances are greater that you'll try out a game you might not otherwise have considered.
For example, I missed the boat on the whole Metal Gear Solid thing. I heard good things, but I wasn't going to shell out for MGS3 for $50. So, I waited and eventually found it in the bargain bin. Loved it. I snagged both MGS2 and MGS:Twin Snakes from Game Stop as well at a later time. How does this help Konami? Because I thought the games were so good that I couldn't wait to get MGS4 and bought it shortly after release (it didn't disappoint either Very Happy= :D). That's $60 for another game they wouldn't have seen had I not been able to play used games.

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PostSubject: Re: Court ruling could mean end of used game sales.   Thu Sep 16, 2010 7:14 pm

CobaltMonkey wrote:
Absolutely. Let's look at it like this. You buy a nice TV. It's about halfway through it's expected life, when you get a sudden run of money and decide to buy into the latest craze of 3D TVs. What to do with your old one? Put it up for sale. After all, it's still good and perhaps someone else could use it. New TVs are expensive, after all.
Here's the hitch.
Your TV can legally only be returned to Sony or thrown away, not sold to a neighbor or put up on a local trading post, etc.
Sound far fetched? How big a jump is it from the game discs to TVs? This law is about effecting your right to own things period.

Moreover, developers do get benefits from places like Game Stop. Things like DLC. I may not have paid full price to the devs for Dragon Age: Origins, but I've put down around $20 on the DLC that they wouldn't have seen otherwise.

Then there's the fact that if something is cheap, then chances are greater that you'll try out a game you might not otherwise have considered.
For example, I missed the boat on the whole Metal Gear Solid thing. I heard good things, but I wasn't going to shell out for MGS3 for $50. So, I waited and eventually found it in the bargain bin. Loved it. I snagged both MGS2 and MGS:Twin Snakes from Game Stop as well at a later time. How does this help Konami? Because I thought the games were so good that I couldn't wait to get MGS4 and bought it shortly after release (it didn't disappoint either Very Happy= :D). That's $60 for another game they wouldn't have seen had I not been able to play used games.


See, that's the thing in some cases. I completely agree with you, getting some games used opens up new doors for the here and now and further down the road. Getting some of the PS2 Ratchet and Clank games, we could have easily got it used or new because of the price. Cheaper games open up whole new possibilities in some cases, and if it hadn't been for games I probably wouldn't have payed near as much attention to Insomniac. No, that may not be a good example because we bought those games new, but for what I saw the price point was about the same, so it could've gone either way.

Hmm. I get my DLC from the source (as in, the PSN or Windows Live [blah!]), so I don't know what those stores do for their DLC, but I don't recall noticing anything like that at all the stores I've been to.

But honestly, if there's a hard copy of a game and it doesn't have a key, why shouldn't you be able to sell it? I won't have a copy anymore.

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